On Friday the Democratic leadership of the Senate — Majority Leader Harry Reid, Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin, Conference Chair Charles Schumer, and Conference Secretary Patty Murray — wrote to President Obama urging him to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling in the event that Republicans either block such an increase or attempt to pass one “as part of unbalanced or unreasonable legislation.”
“We believe that you must make clear that you will never allow our nation’s economy and reputation to be held hostage,” the Democrats wrote. “We believe you must be willing to take any lawful steps to ensure that America does not break its promises and trigger a global economic crisis — without congressional approval, if necessary.”
Put aside the picture of leading lawmakers, usually so jealous of their constitutional prerogatives, asking the president to ignore Congress. What is striking about the letter is that every one of its signers — Reid, Durbin, Schumer, and Murray — voted against raising the nation’s debt ceiling just seven years ago.
On March 16, 2006, the Senate held a vote on a measure to raise the debt ceiling by $781 billion — the fourth such vote of George W. Bush’s presidency. Republicans controlled the Senate, and Democrats spent much of the debate railing against Bush’s spending. “When it comes to deficits, this president owns all the records,” said Reid. “The three largest deficits in our nation’s history have all occurred under this administration’s watch.”
Declaring themselves outraged by such spending, Reid, Durbin, Schumer, and Murray all voted against raising the debt limit. So did every other Democrat — including Sen. Barack Obama. But on Friday, the four lawmakers urged now-President Obama not only to raise the ceiling but to do it in a constitutionally risky fashion by going over the head of Congress.
In the summer of 2011, during the last debt ceiling fight, Reid conceded his ’06 vote was all about politics. “I shouldn’t have done that,” he told ABC’s Jonathan Karl. “I’m kind of embarrassed I did. It was a political maneuver by we Democrats.” But now, Reid and his colleagues have come up with yet another political maneuver — a possibly unconstitutional one — in urging the president to ignore Congress in a matter in which Congress has a critical role to play.
DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty — the Rifle — are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.
LOCATION: We are in the process of selecting the ideal location among the beautiful mountains of Idaho in the American Redoubt.
Sounds quite Aryan, citadels, mountains, weapons……still think having an outpost in a suburb of Detroit would be awesome though. Cheap labor there and the possibility of restless natives to make things interesting.
Yeah, I heard about that.
Fortified Ethnic Enclave.
Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.
Their Motto:
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.
Its the “their Fortunes” part where they start losing me.
Smells like another real estate scam or religious commune to me.
Where to fuck would you work in BFIdaho?
I think the Motto is supposed to sound like the Founding Fathers’ pledge to the new country. Given their backgrounds, my thought is the last thing they’d want is a communal pool of money. It’s all about the Individual, right? So why would they do anything REMOTELY communal? If anything, it sounds like they’d like to make a Galt’s Gulch out there in God’s Country, some place people can head when things start to look bad.
Frankly, I’m a little sick of the whole ‘Patriot’ line. When I hit that word I stop reading. The Right have lost me every bit as much as the Left has. I’m tried of the “opposition isn’t just wrong, they’re evil” bullshit. I think we all believe in social order, but we have radically different views of how to get there. People have gone out their way, in this new, post-partisan Utopia of the African dicator, to demonize the opposition. We spend most of our time at each other’s throat, instead of ever resolving a thing. Witness how many times we go around and around on the same issues, no resolution, no agreement.
Congress controls the purse strings, period. For that matter, it’s just the House. There are too many democrats who will be on their own once his term is completed. I don’t think they’re interested in sacrificing themselves for a guy who couldn’t give a shit about their situation.
The President cannot act unilaterally when it comes to the economy, no matter what the Magic Mormon suggests. I invite Stymie to trip that wire, do it soon. He needs to have his shit handed to him. The Media won’t be able to weigh in on this one, either. Congress doesn’t give a shit about them.
BTW, there’s lots to do in Idaho.
I’m a little sick of the whole ‘Patriot’ lin
Me too but i don’t where the hell to go. I am a follower but some shit has to change. I don’t see that happening in my lifetime minus some radioactive event.
That click above in Idaho? Tell ya just the idea of people pulling together with one accord sounds good but RT makes a good point.
AA truth is I see a lot of truth in your Aryan views of past history and now. My brainwashed perspective of the Constitution has a grey line between equality and equal in the eyes of the law. Like on jump on the law side and stay there and that mean my brainwashed neo Judeo/Christian sense of compassion had to go.
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The spirit behind Villagronosas proposed immigration reform;
“After all, the American Dream doesn’t just belong to some of us. It belongs to all of us”
Baffels me how Mexicans flee their own Government and come here illegally demanding ours to make up for all the shit they have suffered. They are taught that this nation does not belong to American citizens, it belongs to anyione that sets foot here. That tune would change over night if their hoods were invaded by say, Koreans.
This guy is a rising power. If he were a nationalist the Fed would see him cumming a mile away and run him out of politics.
Its the “their Fortunes” part where they start losing me.
I got a bit lost with the “There will be no recycling police…”
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho
Is it a patriots retirement home?
..I see a lot of truth in your Aryan views ..dw
I get into a bit of strife when I mention the term Aryan. I doubt that it will ever become mainstream again. For the record this is my view, possibly a mythical one:
Indo-Europeans originated in the area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. They originated from the merging of three different societies; one was agricultural, one was nomadic pastoral and one was metal workers. The agriculturalist provided the food, the metal workers the weapons and the pastoralists the warriors that made them successful. One branch migrated south into Iran and from there into Northern India. Another branch move northwest into the steppes of what is now Russia. From there they divided and subsequently migrated west into Europe. First were the Celtic and Italic peoples. Then came the Germans and later the Slavs. The Greeks were a smaller separate group.
That’s a pretty broad swathe of people. However the term implies something about more than just origins or linguistics. Its politically incorrect and probably should be used only among people who “get it”.
I was reading about the first man that walked on another world, Neil Armstrong. Arm Middle English, from Old English earm; akin to Latin armus shoulder, Sanskrit īrma arm. Strong Middle English, from Old English strang; akin to Old High German strengi strong. Wow part of that name can trace its origin to Sanskrit -- heavy Aryan stuff. Neil Armstrong was born on August 5, 1930, in Wapakoneta, Ohio, to Stephen Koenig Armstrong and Viola Louise Engel. He was of Scottish, Irish, and German ancestry. Flew an F9F Panther and bombed Asiatics when he was twenty one. Test pilot, boy scout and astronaut. Made that giant leap for “mankind” flying a rocket designed and built by a particular branch of mankind. That was the pinnacle I guess.
I would be all for a group of people who got together for mutual defense but otherwise left each other completely to their own devices. As P. J. O’Rourke once put it (paraphrasing), the United States wasn’t formed to keep everyone safe, it was formed so everyone could do exactly as they damned pleased.
I like that definition better. We fulfill no higher calling than when we take care of ourselves and our kin. Not that we can’t help each other, but no, that’s not what we’re here for, unless that floats your boat as well. Be as generous as you want with your own money (which you came by honestly), offer counsel if counsel is requested. Otherwise -- MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Democrats can’t do it, republicans can’t do it. Everyone has to be just like me. ME ME ME, like that fucking monkey running NYC. Oh yeah kids, you might have to watch your mother in terminal gut-wracking pain because I’ve decided to cut back on the painkillers available to ERs & hospitals. Who the fuck does this asshole think he is? I don’t care if he’s got billions. If one of my family members suffered unnecessarily because Bloomberg’s got another wire up his ass about how his world should be run, I’d be giving him another world to manage.
I’m sick of politics, political correctness and this whole idea that some of us are patriots. I’m sick of hearing about other peoples’ religion which is better than or worse than or batshit crazier than mine. I’m sick of this President and this Congress.
I don’t know if we have another 4 years. I don’t know how to put up with the horseshit any longer.
Chuck Yeager didn’t have a stellar opinion of Armstrong, at least not in his book. Probably because the kid got to land on the moon, which was a full house aces and kings over Yeager’s first man to break the sound barrier three queens.
Yeager, of course, Dutch. All these Germanics from the Midwest, all these ruddy Irish, Dutch, German, Scots -- yearning to fly. And to blow the wings off the other guys. Funny how these things happen.
that was online?
Yep
Interesting:
Sounds quite Aryan, citadels, mountains, weapons……still think having an outpost in a suburb of Detroit would be awesome though. Cheap labor there and the possibility of restless natives to make things interesting.
Yeah, I heard about that.
Fortified Ethnic Enclave.
Their Motto:
Its the “their Fortunes” part where they start losing me.
Smells like another real estate scam or religious commune to me.
Where to fuck would you work in BFIdaho?
I think the Motto is supposed to sound like the Founding Fathers’ pledge to the new country. Given their backgrounds, my thought is the last thing they’d want is a communal pool of money. It’s all about the Individual, right? So why would they do anything REMOTELY communal? If anything, it sounds like they’d like to make a Galt’s Gulch out there in God’s Country, some place people can head when things start to look bad.
Frankly, I’m a little sick of the whole ‘Patriot’ line. When I hit that word I stop reading. The Right have lost me every bit as much as the Left has. I’m tried of the “opposition isn’t just wrong, they’re evil” bullshit. I think we all believe in social order, but we have radically different views of how to get there. People have gone out their way, in this new, post-partisan Utopia of the African dicator, to demonize the opposition. We spend most of our time at each other’s throat, instead of ever resolving a thing. Witness how many times we go around and around on the same issues, no resolution, no agreement.
Congress controls the purse strings, period. For that matter, it’s just the House. There are too many democrats who will be on their own once his term is completed. I don’t think they’re interested in sacrificing themselves for a guy who couldn’t give a shit about their situation.
The President cannot act unilaterally when it comes to the economy, no matter what the Magic Mormon suggests. I invite Stymie to trip that wire, do it soon. He needs to have his shit handed to him. The Media won’t be able to weigh in on this one, either. Congress doesn’t give a shit about them.
BTW, there’s lots to do in Idaho.
Me too but i don’t where the hell to go. I am a follower but some shit has to change. I don’t see that happening in my lifetime minus some radioactive event.
That click above in Idaho? Tell ya just the idea of people pulling together with one accord sounds good but RT makes a good point.
AA truth is I see a lot of truth in your Aryan views of past history and now. My brainwashed perspective of the Constitution has a grey line between equality and equal in the eyes of the law. Like on jump on the law side and stay there and that mean my brainwashed neo Judeo/Christian sense of compassion had to go.
OT?
The spirit behind Villagronosas proposed immigration reform;
“After all, the American Dream doesn’t just belong to some of us. It belongs to all of us”
Baffels me how Mexicans flee their own Government and come here illegally demanding ours to make up for all the shit they have suffered. They are taught that this nation does not belong to American citizens, it belongs to anyione that sets foot here. That tune would change over night if their hoods were invaded by say, Koreans.
This guy is a rising power. If he were a nationalist the Fed would see him cumming a mile away and run him out of politics.
Its the “their Fortunes” part where they start losing me.
I got a bit lost with the “There will be no recycling police…”
Is it a patriots retirement home?
..I see a lot of truth in your Aryan views ..dw
I get into a bit of strife when I mention the term Aryan. I doubt that it will ever become mainstream again. For the record this is my view, possibly a mythical one:
That’s a pretty broad swathe of people. However the term implies something about more than just origins or linguistics. Its politically incorrect and probably should be used only among people who “get it”.
I was reading about the first man that walked on another world, Neil Armstrong. Arm Middle English, from Old English earm; akin to Latin armus shoulder, Sanskrit īrma arm. Strong Middle English, from Old English strang; akin to Old High German strengi strong. Wow part of that name can trace its origin to Sanskrit -- heavy Aryan stuff. Neil Armstrong was born on August 5, 1930, in Wapakoneta, Ohio, to Stephen Koenig Armstrong and Viola Louise Engel. He was of Scottish, Irish, and German ancestry. Flew an F9F Panther and bombed Asiatics when he was twenty one. Test pilot, boy scout and astronaut. Made that giant leap for “mankind” flying a rocket designed and built by a particular branch of mankind. That was the pinnacle I guess.
I would be all for a group of people who got together for mutual defense but otherwise left each other completely to their own devices. As P. J. O’Rourke once put it (paraphrasing), the United States wasn’t formed to keep everyone safe, it was formed so everyone could do exactly as they damned pleased.
I like that definition better. We fulfill no higher calling than when we take care of ourselves and our kin. Not that we can’t help each other, but no, that’s not what we’re here for, unless that floats your boat as well. Be as generous as you want with your own money (which you came by honestly), offer counsel if counsel is requested. Otherwise -- MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Democrats can’t do it, republicans can’t do it. Everyone has to be just like me. ME ME ME, like that fucking monkey running NYC. Oh yeah kids, you might have to watch your mother in terminal gut-wracking pain because I’ve decided to cut back on the painkillers available to ERs & hospitals. Who the fuck does this asshole think he is? I don’t care if he’s got billions. If one of my family members suffered unnecessarily because Bloomberg’s got another wire up his ass about how his world should be run, I’d be giving him another world to manage.
I’m sick of politics, political correctness and this whole idea that some of us are patriots. I’m sick of hearing about other peoples’ religion which is better than or worse than or batshit crazier than mine. I’m sick of this President and this Congress.
I don’t know if we have another 4 years. I don’t know how to put up with the horseshit any longer.
Chuck Yeager didn’t have a stellar opinion of Armstrong, at least not in his book. Probably because the kid got to land on the moon, which was a full house aces and kings over Yeager’s first man to break the sound barrier three queens.
Yeager, of course, Dutch. All these Germanics from the Midwest, all these ruddy Irish, Dutch, German, Scots -- yearning to fly. And to blow the wings off the other guys. Funny how these things happen.
But not coincidental.