Politico – The White House has identified 19 executive actions for President Barack Obama to move unilaterally on gun control, Vice President Joe Biden told a group of House Democrats on Monday, the administration’s first definitive statements about its response to last month’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Later this week, Obama will formally announce his proposals to reduce gun violence, which are expected to include renewal of the assault weapons ban, universal background checks and prohibition of high-capacity magazine clips. But Biden, who has been leading Obama’s task force on the response, spent two hours briefing a small group of sympathetic House Democrats on the road ahead in the latest White House outreach to invested groups.
The focus on executive orders is the result of the White House and other Democrats acknowledging the political difficulty of enacting any new gun legislation, a topic Biden did not address in Monday’s meeting.
The executive actions could include giving the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention authority to conduct national research on guns, more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws and pushing for wider sharing of existing gun databases among federal and state agencies, members of Congress in the meeting said.
“It was all focusing on enforcing existing law, administering things like improving the background database, things like that that do not involve a change in the law but enforcing and making sure that the present law is administered as well as possible,” said Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.).
The White House declined to comment on the details of what Obama will propose.
But Biden did indicate that the remains of the Obama campaign apparatus may be activated in the effort.
“He said that this has been a real focus on the policy and that the politics of this issue, that a strategy on the politics of the issue hasn’t been undertaken yet,” Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) told POLITICO. “He did remind us that the campaign infrastructure is still accessible.”Biden did not address two of the more significant issues in the gun debate: the appointment of a permanent director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and the role violent images in the entertainment industry play in the nation’s gun violence.
Obama touched on his expected legislative guns agenda at his own news conference in the East Room on Monday, while stressing the power he has via executive order.
“How we are gathering data, for example, on guns that fall into the hands of criminals, and how we track that more effectively — there may be some steps that we can take administratively as opposed through legislation,” Obama said.
Even Democrats who back gun control concede that reinstating an assault weapons ban — the 1994 law expired in 2004 — will be a heavy lift for the White House. During his meeting with gun-rights groups last week, Biden mentioned only an assault weapons ban when telling the NRA and other organizations that Obama has “made up his mind” to support it.
“I think everybody acknowledges that the assault weapons ban is a challenge, but other things — like the size of the magazines, the background checks, straw purchases — are all things that have a good chance of passing,” Scott said.
Speier said she told Biden the White House should do as much as it can on its own.
“I urged him to do as much by executive order as possible,” she said. “Frankly, I don’t have a lot of confidence that this Congress is going to do anything significant.”
And Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Democrats’ Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, said the magazine ban and universal background checks would be far more effective than an assault weapons ban without the political cost.
“Probably the most recognizable thing you can say in this debate is ban assault weapons,” Thompson said.
“But the other two issues” — forbidding high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring universal background checks for gun purchases — “those two things have more impact on making our neighborhoods safe than everything else combined. Anytime you try and prohibit what kind of gun people has it generates some concern.”
Biden’s personal gun violence outreach now includes the families of the 26 victims of the Dec. 14 school massacre in Newtown, Conn. Biden told the Monday meeting that he’s been reaching out to the families. A White House official confirmed the vice president has been in touch directly with some of the families.
“The vice president mentioned that he has called every one of the families that has lost children in Connecticut, and that the conversations have lasted no less than 45 minutes,” Speier said.
Redneck's Revenge
Obama signs bill, gets Secret Service protection for life
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/10/obama-signs-bill-gets-secret-service-protection-for-life/
maybe the man is a visionary after all
The Fed is still a far far cry from provoking conservatives to any illegal action. My guess is the progressive will take that road if we don’t shore up the peon and small business level of the economy. dw
I think you are right. The conservative type is hard wired to be law abiding and hard working. He wants to conserve things. He wants to make things work. He tries to lead by example. He is a bit of a fuddy duddy. He has faith in democratic institutions. He is trying to stop things sliding into the abyss. Rapid change, on the other hand, requires revolutionary action. He’ll try and put the pieces back together again after it all falls to bits.
The trouble is the change, for the worse, is insidious and slow. Like that frog in the slowly heating pot of water. People are stoking the fire while others, like the Republicans, pour a little cold water into the pot now and again. This merely slows the process down, making the frog even less likely to jump out.
Example of left physically attacking the right.
What’s wrong with those guys? All the perps look like white trailer trash. -you’d think they’d be on the other side.
That said I would like to state that I’m opposed to race war, class war and religious wars. I believe in cooperation between people of all races, classes and religions. People just need to cooperate and we will all get along just fine. A lot like the cooperation that employers expect from employees.
What I would like to see is an all-out attempt to repeal the 2nd. It will not happen, and they (anti-gun nuts) can see that it won’t. Therefore, they will look for compromise. Better put, they expect it. It. Must. Not. Happen. There is no compromise. Politicians will not take my armor (and yes, weapons) from me, no matter the guise.
By the way, RT -- someone in Austin tried to hack my Google account.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:17:28 PM UTC
IP Address: 70.195.204.224 (224.sub-70-195-204.myvzw.com.)
Location: Austin, TX, USA
What say you?
Verizon could probably trace that IP for you.
If it wasn’t spoofed.
I really wish we’d start droning hackers.
RT -- That would be drowning…
On another note: Just saw this -- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/statement-from-the-national-rifle-association-of-america-regarding-the-passage-of-s-2230-in-new-york.aspx?s&st&ps
Here’s a good read on the whole civilian disarmament notion.
I know you’ll read it, AA…
Just read it. I’ve been through this already. Once had a Chinese made AK47 but the government changed the rules and I had to remove the pistol grip, unscrew the muzzle thingy and cut the mag down from 30 to 6 rounds. It was too ugly after that so I gave the whole thing, minus firing pin, to the police to dispose of. Miss it though….
Love to have that handgun of yours, nineteen rounds in the mag, awesome.
After Newtown, Jews Lead Renewed Push on Guns
Emphasis mine. Thats odd eh? What else can you guys do to get in their good books? And here you were, hoarding guns and ammo, to stop a repeat of what happened in Germany.
19 January, 2013.
Headline from Dave Dube’s link:
SOROS DEMANDS DEMOCRATS PASS 13 NEW GUN LAWS
Its good to see that they got punished. Would be interesting to see if they change their views while inside. I haven’t managed to find out much about the group they attacked. They don’t appear to have been a rival skinhead group as they were out-of-towners having a meal at a family restaurant. They were possibly just a group of American patriots concerned about the “browning” of America. A legitimate concern considering there are no truly successful “brown” states.
I see no casus belli.
It looks like a bunch of smoke & mirrors crap to me as well, RT.
As far as picking and choosing your crime stats, I saw an article in Reason in the late ’90s where they controlled for race on handgun murder rates (something that’s never done). What they found is that while England’s murder rate was 5.5 per 100,000, the murder rate for white Americans was 5.4 per 100,000. Of course when you added in the black handgun murder rate, the US went up to 49.something.
A big part of the murder rate is the failed War on Drugs, so that even through blacks constitute 13% of the population, they account for about 50% of the murders (and 94% of them are killed by other blacks). When you figure in the violent crime stats, it’s obvious you’re much better off in the US than you are in England (if you’re white).
I am all for anyone purchasing a gun and learning how to use it properly. But there are NO constraints on your right to own firearms in the Constitution. You don’t go downtown to get your speech permit. You don’t sign on to the number of words you’re allowed to write to the editor. There are no speech safety classes (lest, God forbid, you insult someone) or justifications you must make to higher authorities to exercise those rights. Because those rights are God-given and inalienable and governments are instituted to protect those rights not to be gate-keepers for fear we will hurt ourselves.
That’s how all liberties disappear. Not all at once, slowly. So you don’t hurt yourself. Or others. Safety first.
And, as Ben will tell you, you deserve neither.
Fuck if I know DW.
I figured the only problem you might have is Mrs. Wiggles wont shake her ass for you.
My stat thingy suggests the screen resolution you’re running changes every time you click on something.
Either youre changing resolution or this website cant accuratly determine what your running.
That might be a javascript thing…….. I really dont know.
I know that back in the mid 90s I used to disable java, and reject cookies for security reasons, but I got tired of fucking with the problems.
I think if you’re going to enjoy the internet today you need to keep them on. I leave them on and I dont have any known security problems.
If yall haven’t noticed I have updated and somewhat redesigned the blog recently. I had to when I changed hosts.
Its designed to look right on Chrome running 1280x720 resolution with java enabled. I haven’t tested it on other browsers / resolutions. But if your not running at least 1280 the sidebar is probably pushed down to the bottom. I know it doesn’t look right on my I-phone anymore ….. but I dont know what to do about that.
Apparently I’m not the only one that compiles this data. It’s nice to see I’m not alone.
http://ssristories.com/index.php?p=school
Holy Cow Great link T8
The 15-year old that just shot his parents and 3 younger siblings in New Mexico, what do you think they had him on? He told police he was going to load up and drive to the nearest Wal*Mart, kill a whole bunch of people there and have the police kill him. Why he didn’t get to that part, I’m not sure. But that’s the MO, all the way down to the shootout with the police.
Then if you read the comments after the news story, it’s all the same crap -- lack of discipline, access to weapons, violent society, etc. Think about that for a moment, because millions of kids are in that same position and they’re not blasting everyone that moves. It’s only the kids being treated for depression and that means doctor’s care and that means psychotropic medications. Read what people said about James Holmes, or the nutball that shot Gabby Giffords, or the Korean kid that shot up Virginia Tech. All of these guys were freaking out everyone around them, but there was little or nothing they could do. Lanza’s mother was desperately trying to commit him to an institution and he found out. Why is no one able to get these folks out of circulation before they kill someone? Why do the nutballs have all the rights?
Remember none of these guys had any priors, so there’s no history on them. They just snap one day. Which means whenever it happens, it will happen without warning. Oh sure, people around them have been freaked out for months, but no one can take any ‘official’ action -- BECAUSE THEY HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING YET.
It’s the MEDICATION. Seven mass shootings last year. I guarantee we’ll break that record this year. It seems like it’s happening at least once a week.
And then, irony of ironies, the suggested ‘solution’ to all this is MORE mental health services. Just what we need, more kids on these drugs.
Yeah, that’ll fix everything.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
The grandson has always been a problem for the daughter. As a teen he became a malicious shit but he never lets me see that side of him. Have always been very close to him. His last visit he said ” friends for life”. We have a pact. The daughter has for a while wanted to put him on drugs and I have yelled at her about it but I can’t say what I see or would lose relations with her.
That link doesn’t require any long read or tax the brain of any moron. and will come in very handy. My daughters (ex) fiancee also loves the grandson and wanted him on drugs and we have argued about it. After seeing that link he told me he is now against it. I think he is perfect example of people getting information the media hides by omission. Owe ya one T8.
dw, glad to help! As someone who has followed this ‘trend‘ for 25 years, it is particularly galling to hear ‘experts‘ claim more mental health services are needed. Jesus.
It’s against the law in England to prescribe SSRIs to anyone under the age of 21. Meanwhile, here in the US, we’ve given it to 2-year olds.
Of course we’re going to have plenty more mass killings. We hand this shit out like it was Cherry Pez. No history, no blood work, no follow-up -- here’s your script, out the door -- NEXT!
Until the authorities see where the real problem is, it will continue. And yes, It will probably INCREASE. After all, there are 10s of thousands of people out there who will experience the ‘rare‘ side effects. Disssociation, akathisia, and suicidal/homicidal ideation (don’t you love these terms?)
Keep your eyes out and your head on a swivel.
wow that coronation of the mufti was really somethin. The only thing missing was the laugh track and a band of eunuchs. wait a minute -- only the laughtrack
and the canned music….
I must be nutz cuz this ain OT to me
Skulls Found In Mexico May Have Belonged To Human Sacrifice Victims, Archaeologists Say
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/skulls-mexico-human-sacrifice-archaeologists-ancient_n_2559781.html?ncid=webmail2
Had a flash that political correctness was a product of fear and for a mint i wasn’t baffled by it. I am a good guy and glad no one is afraid of me.
Years ago I was hired to make clean, paint and make repairs to a modest one story Victorian in Woodland Cali. The raised foundation made for living space the same square footage as the building. Took three days to clear out the pallets, trash, make shift beds, furnature and debris. Have no idea ho many illegals were living there. Wish i had photographed the graffitti on the walls. Might have a little more compassion for the poor if they weren’t such pigs we have to clean up after.
Its not fair to suggest they were a violent bloodthirsty culture.
The only reason they slaughtered those people is because incense burners were legal to buy in Europe.
Anyone explain why Homeland Security NEEDS armored vehicles? Millions of rounds of .223 ammunition? Just curious.
Might have a little more compassion for the poor if they weren’t such pigs we have to clean up after.
There is a direct relationship between untidiness and poverty. Poor people have no aesthetic sense. Probably because they have been estranged from the land and culture. They’d be better off in medieval hamlets I reckon.
AA you crack me up. I goin to Texas when I retire. Saw a Redneck shack for 20 grand in my home town before the financial shit happened. All I need is a post office, gas station/convenience store and an internet connection.
Been on a read rampage about all the conspiracy theories concerning our future economy, demographics and FEMA. Maybe the obvious is true.. Everything we have, and have allowed to be done is unstable and unsustainable. That state covered in Orange dots might be the safest place to be if the worst happened.
dw -- I beg to differ.
Dave am interested in your differ. Won’t try to drag ya in an argument just want to read it.
I think what he’s suggesting DW is that less ethnically diverse, less populated, cold ass Moose hunting States would be a safer place to be when the shit hits the fan.
Texas (and the other southern border states) will be the front lines.
Makes sense and agree.
Bingo. Someone mentioned the ‘Citadel’ folks in N ID. Kinda defeats the purpose, all gathered together in one spot just begging for scrutiny, if you get my drift. Now, MT… Lotsa HideyHoles and wide open spaces. Not to mention firewood, good H2O and Fast Food (antelope) which I could use my AR (.308) til the cows come home. That failing, at least I feel safer on the Northern border of this great country than I would on the Southern end of the compass.
Now I differ with you Dave, but i already said i would not argue.
Anybody interested in what over a thousand warriors have to say about this Gun Control Crap?
I thought so.
Thanx when i see links like that I feel better. The media in general, no matter where I read, leaves me feeling insecure.
But what about this poor mother?
Mom loses all four children to gun violence
Should everyone be allowed to have guns? Maybe only certain people should have guns.
I feel safer on the Northern border
Its amazing that they want to turn the US into a large Central/South America, starting, naturally, at the southern end. Meanwhile the Aryans flee to the North.
AA -- I didn’t flee North -- and I’m only partially white. ;o) I was raised on the Northern border, and I suppose I’ve been back and forth (more than a few times) unsupervised. Kind of neat to step back and forth over a fence, if you get my drift. Folks from a warmer clime wouldn’t be so enthused about it, but between you and me and the Outpost, I’m satisfied with where I’m at. I do not envy ANYONE (unless they are properly equipped) who is not in my position.
And on another note -- I see VP Biden’s son Beau has taken it upon himself to remove Arrest powers from Delaware’s sheriffs. I hear Eric singing “I shot the Sheriff…”.
When I use the term “Aryan” I don’t mean for it to be a synonym of “white”. Aryan is more a synonym for everything noble, beautiful, civilized and sensible yet still retaining a connection to nature. Thus I can call myself Aryan and claim everything that is good in this world as my own.
As for fleeing, if you move to a place because you “feel safer” it is rather like fleeing.
I think a white boys biggest fear is prison. Am afraid to have a weapon in Cali. To me it is more of a liability the protection Just need a heads up to get out of here in time. Went to a Jack in the Box today and a ex con crew was loitering in the parking lot like they owned it. One had a face covered in tattoos. Asked my partner what he thought. BF ex marine said he could take em all. My comment was was when the SHF i would shoot the fuckers on site. I scare easy I better not have any guns.
dw -- LOL. When you’re standing in a Shit Field -- Shit happens.
If not for the weather would not be here. Hope is to leave quickly for Midwest if the worst looked like a happening. Am not really defenseless here.